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Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.



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    I'll not find it quickly but one of Orson Scott Card's spin-off short stories from the Ender World universe is describing gold-digging insects (bugs, these were not ants). They were though artificially altered (normally they were digging and "digesting" some other mineral that was becoming their shell material).
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It makes their chimneys work better.



The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.



The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:




  • It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.


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  • It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.


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    fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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    Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows



What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.



The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.



They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.






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    Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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    @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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Electrical conduction



Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.






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    Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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The ants are giant packrats!



The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/




There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.




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http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm




The mountain ant



In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.




https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html




Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.



They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
-- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.




Here is a colony of these big marmots.



marmots
https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/



But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!



https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/




That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
objects small enough for the critter to haul off.




So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.



I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.





@chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.




  1. Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.


  2. Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...


  3. Amberrat.



https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
amberrat
Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.



Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.






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I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.



Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.



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    Sex



    First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.



    Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.



    So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.



    It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.






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      Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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      @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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    They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.



    They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.



    The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.



    Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.






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    Gold helps with their Farming



    They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:




    • Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.

    • Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.


    Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.




    Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.




    Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).



    And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.



    [The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]






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      Dummy gold war



      They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.



      Very effective.






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        Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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      Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.



      Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.






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        This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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      It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.






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        Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.




        Their large size is the key.



        These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.



        Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.



        So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.






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          Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
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          It makes their chimneys work better.



          The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.



          The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:




          • It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.


          enter image description here



          Attribution BBC 2019




          • It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.


          enter image description here



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            @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
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            fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
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            Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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          Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
          this behavior serve?




          It makes their chimneys work better.



          The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.



          The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:




          • It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.


          enter image description here



          Attribution BBC 2019




          • It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.


          enter image description here



          Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019






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            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
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          • $begingroup$
            @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
            $endgroup$
            – Agrajag
            yesterday






          • 1




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            fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
            $endgroup$
            – John
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
            $endgroup$
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          45





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          Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
          this behavior serve?




          It makes their chimneys work better.



          The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.



          The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:




          • It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.


          enter image description here



          Attribution BBC 2019




          • It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.


          enter image description here



          Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019






          share|improve this answer









          $endgroup$




          Why would ants unearth pieces of gold? What evolutionary purpose would
          this behavior serve?




          It makes their chimneys work better.



          The workers gather the gold and bring it to the colony. The soldiers use their large powerfull mandibles to shape the soft gold into roughly flat flakes which they distribute around the nest site.



          The gold's reflection of the sun's light and heat in an upwards direction has two effects:




          • It heats the chimneys, encouraging convection and allowing air circulation around the ant's farmed food source - the fungus below.


          enter image description here



          Attribution BBC 2019




          • It reflects the heat off the surrounding ground, allowing it to be cool - enabling the underground tunnels used for farming the food fungus to expand and grow and thus the colony to be bigger and more succesfull.


          enter image description here



          Attribution: Darwin's Toolkit by UW–Madison CALS 2019







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            +1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
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          • $begingroup$
            @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
            $endgroup$
            – Agrajag
            yesterday






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            $begingroup$
            fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
            $endgroup$
            – John
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          • $begingroup$
            Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
            $endgroup$
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            +1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
            $endgroup$
            – Cyn
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          • $begingroup$
            @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
            $endgroup$
            – Agrajag
            yesterday






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            $begingroup$
            fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
            $endgroup$
            – John
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
            $endgroup$
            – vsz
            yesterday








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          +1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          +1 For not derailing the question by assuming it wasn't actually ants. It's also a good answer.
          $endgroup$
          – Cyn
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
          $endgroup$
          – Agrajag
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          @Cyn Thanks, was tempted to synonymise "ant" with "Umpa-Lumpa" or "mine worker", but there's lithium in the water here.
          $endgroup$
          – Agrajag
          yesterday




          1




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          fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
          $endgroup$
          – John
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          fossil hunters actually check ant mounds for fossil teeth because ants prefer he hardest material they can find to make their mount tops out of, in many places that equals fossilized teeth. so it is definitely possible for them to at least use gold ore for better conductive ability in cooling tunnels.
          $endgroup$
          – John
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
          $endgroup$
          – vsz
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Also, as gold is one of the most malleable metals, if any type of small animal wanted to build something out of metal by chewing it, it would be probably gold. Or lead, but lead would poison them, so they stick to gold.
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          They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows



          What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.



          The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.



          They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.






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            Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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            But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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            @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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          They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows



          What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.



          The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.



          They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.






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            Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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            But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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            @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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          They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows



          What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.



          The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.



          They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.






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          They don't value the Gold - They expel it from their burrows



          What use is a shiny metal to an ant? They don't make artefacts or have currency. They don't have an aesthetic sense apart from food.



          The ants line their burrows with a sticky substance they produce from their rear ends. Obviously a lump of gold is an obstruction to the building of their underground kingdoms.



          They discard these annoying lumps of useless metal by bringing them to the surface and abandoning them there. If humans remove this refuse then so much the better.







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            Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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            @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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            Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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            – Joe Bloggs
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            @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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          Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
          $endgroup$
          – Joe Bloggs
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Boom. Might not require them to seek out and dig up gold, but it’s what an ant would likely do, especially if the gold doesn’t react with something the ants need it to react to.
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          But then wouldn't the ant expel all obstructive substances such as metals / rocks / ores etc. therefore not really sorting out the gold.
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          – colmde
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          @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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          @colmde - That's a fair point. The thing is that it is humans that notice the phenomenon. Ants in non-gold-bearing areas won't be noticed by people. Only the ants that fortuitously live in gold-rich deserts will become a source of human fascination.
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          Electrical conduction



          Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.






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            Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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            Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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          Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.






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            Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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          Electrical conduction



          Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.






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          Electrical conduction



          Gold is a good conductor. Perhaps these ants use electrical pulses (rather than pheromones) to communicate in their nests. So they move the gold so that there are paths wherever they need them. They might also evolve special "router" ants that serve as junctions between paths. So the central pheromone unit (CPU) can send pulses that only reach specific sets of ants. Each ant could be identified by an instead of pheromone (IP) number.







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            Some types of ants seem to be attracted to electricity.
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            Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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            Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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          Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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          – BoomChuck
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Gold is usually preferred over other materials because it's very inert - it won't rust or corrode. So a moist, acidic, or otherwise chemically reactive environment would help to justify the ants' preference. And acid batteries would make excellent power sources! Central pheromone unit! Pure poetry. What if... the circuitry forms a complex computer system, and the colony is actually run by a sentient AI?! Then AI would stand for Ant Intelligence. I will see myself out.
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          The ants are giant packrats!



          The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
          http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/




          There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
          Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
          guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
          greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
          the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.




          enter image description here



          http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm




          The mountain ant



          In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
          mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.




          https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html




          Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
          believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
          ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
          regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.



          They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
          the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
          Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
          -- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
          found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
          generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.




          Here is a colony of these big marmots.



          marmots
          https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/



          But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!



          https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/




          That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
          in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
          for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
          but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
          into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
          All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
          objects small enough for the critter to haul off.




          So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.



          I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.





          @chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.




          1. Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.


          2. Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...


          3. Amberrat.



          https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
          amberrat
          Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.



          Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.






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            This is one most excellent piece of research!
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            Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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          $begingroup$

          The ants are giant packrats!



          The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
          http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/




          There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
          Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
          guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
          greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
          the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.




          enter image description here



          http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm




          The mountain ant



          In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
          mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.




          https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html




          Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
          believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
          ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
          regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.



          They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
          the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
          Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
          -- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
          found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
          generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.




          Here is a colony of these big marmots.



          marmots
          https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/



          But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!



          https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/




          That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
          in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
          for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
          but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
          into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
          All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
          objects small enough for the critter to haul off.




          So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.



          I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.





          @chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.




          1. Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.


          2. Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...


          3. Amberrat.



          https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
          amberrat
          Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.



          Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.






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          The ants are giant packrats!



          The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
          http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/




          There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
          Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
          guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
          greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
          the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.




          enter image description here



          http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm




          The mountain ant



          In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
          mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.




          https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html




          Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
          believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
          ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
          regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.



          They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
          the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
          Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
          -- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
          found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
          generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.




          Here is a colony of these big marmots.



          marmots
          https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/



          But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!



          https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/




          That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
          in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
          for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
          but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
          into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
          All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
          objects small enough for the critter to haul off.




          So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.



          I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.





          @chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.




          1. Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.


          2. Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...


          3. Amberrat.



          https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
          amberrat
          Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.



          Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.






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          The ants are giant packrats!



          The gold digging ants are not typical ants,
          http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/the-monstrous-ant-of-the-medieval-bestiary/




          There are also ants that, according to some bestiaries, live in
          Ethiopia or India, are the size of dogs, and dig up gold from sand,
          guard it, and pursue anything that tries to steal it, especially
          greedy humans. Artists depicted these ants not as larger versions of
          the familiar-looking insects, but more like actual dogs.




          enter image description here



          http://www.terrierman.com/goldenant.htm




          The mountain ant



          In ancient Persian the word for marmot was "mountain ant". And the
          mountain ants do indeed dig up gold on occasion.




          https://www.nytimes.com/1996/11/25/world/himalayas-offer-clue-to-legend-of-gold-digging-ants.html




          Now a team of explorers says it has solved the puzzle. The explorers
          believe they have pinpointed the land of the legendary gold-digging
          ants and the people who profited in one of the most inaccessible
          regions of the Himalayas along the upper Indus River.



          They say the outsize furry ''ants,'' first described by Herodotus in
          the fifth century B.C., are in fact big marmots. These creatures --
          Herodotus calls them ''bigger than a fox, though not so big as a dog''
          -- are still throwing up gold-bearing soil from deep underground as they dig their burrows. Most important, the explorers say they have
          found indigenous people on the same high plateau who say that for
          generations they have collected gold dust from the marmots' work.




          Here is a colony of these big marmots.



          marmots
          https://www.kathmanduandbeyond.com/feeding-himalayan-marmots-ladakh-india/



          But these marmots don't care about the gold. They just bring it up. Why would a rodent care about shiny gold nuggets enough to hoard them and even fight for them? There is one rodent that does. Packrats!



          https://nuggetshooter.blog/2018/01/31/pack-rat-gold/




          That morning as the horse and mule were loaded Tucker noticed a hole
          in his saddlebag with gold dust spilling from it and cussing that rat
          for chewing into the bag he began unpacking to save his precious gold,
          but it was gone…Only the fine gold that hadn’t spilled from the pouch
          into the saddlebag after being chewed apart by the packrat remained.
          All of the nuggets were gone as well as his pocket watch, and other
          objects small enough for the critter to haul off.




          So: your "ants" are colony dwelling, burrowing rodents with a packrat-like habit of hoarding neat things, especially shiny things. In the above linked article, the prospector who lost his gold to the rat spent several days digging into burrows trying to find the one where his gold was, without luck. The article concludes by speculating that in an area naturally rich in gold nuggets, resident packrats might accumulate nuggets over time, giving rise to nugget troves in ancient rodent dens.



          I am not sure a marmot would charge a guy with a sword like the ones above are doing but I would not want to test them. They are pretty big one at a time, marmots.





          @chasly from UK pointed out that this answer does not cover the evolutionary angle; true. And a downvote for this lack - horrors! I was unable to find any thing written about why packrats might favor shiny things for their nests. I have taken this speculation on myself.




          1. Packrats like to incorporate shiny things into their nests - this is well known.


          2. Packrats like to use old nests if they can find them. It makes sense - if a nest has long been inhabited that means it is a good place for packrats. Plus older nests are more substantial, in part because of...


          3. Amberrat.



          https://www.flickr.com/photos/centralaustralia/8419933870
          amberrat
          Rats and especially packrats urinate onto their nests. Over time the accumulated urine can crystallize, cementing the nest material together into shiny masses called amberrat. These cemented nests are durable and of use to paleontologists, as the preserved materials record eras past.



          Thus we have selective advantage for rats that like old nests, and old rat nests tend to be shiny. This could mean a selective advantage for rats who like shiny nests. Such rats will make their nests shiny if given materials to do so because they like shiny nests. Gold nuggets are definitely shiny. Thus - selective advantage for "ants" that seek out gold and incorporate it into their nest.







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            Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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            I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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            Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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            I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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            21 hours ago
















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          yesterday






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          This is one most excellent piece of research!
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          yesterday














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          Excellent and fascinating piece of research! It gives a possible origin of the myth but doesn't actually answer the question as asked though.
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          yesterday






          $begingroup$
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          I love the photo of the fat-ass marmots! Heh!
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          21 hours ago




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          I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.



          Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.



          Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T






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            I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.



            Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.



            Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T






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              I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.



              Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.



              Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T






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              I cant find a good source, but gold found in streams are supposed to be created by bacteria that are allergic to gold. They use mechanisms to make the water stop retaining the gold so it drops to the floor of the riverbed.



              Your ants have larvae that are allergic to gold. They might not die from it, but its not good for them. The ants have evolved to actively dig up the gold and drag it to specific area's where larvae will not be living, and the ants who do the digging and dragging will avoid contact with larvae and ants that care for them.



              Edit: found source. https://www.businessinsider.com/bacteria-creates-microscopic-gold-nuggets-2013-2?international=true&r=US&IR=T







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                  Sex



                  First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.



                  Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.



                  So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.



                  It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.






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                    Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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                    @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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                  Sex



                  First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.



                  Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.



                  So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.



                  It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.






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                    Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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                    12 hours ago










                  • $begingroup$
                    @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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                  First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.



                  Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.



                  So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.



                  It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.






                  share|improve this answer









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                  Sex



                  First, I'll assume that, as per other answers, we're not actually talking about ants, but rather large(ish) mammals.



                  Rather than take the packrat route, let's go with bowerbirds. The males build elaborate courtship structures, and decorate them with colorful objects. The satin bowerbird, for instance, is partial to blue.



                  So, if a species of "ants" has females which are partial to shiny, males will collect and display shiny objects - such as gold nuggets. Furthermore, deep digging which brings up pieces of gold will also be selected for.



                  It's amazing the number of behaviors which can ultimately be explained by sex.







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                    Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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                  • $begingroup$
                    @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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                  • $begingroup$
                    Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
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                    – Nyos
                    12 hours ago










                  • $begingroup$
                    @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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                  $begingroup$
                  Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Nyos
                  12 hours ago




                  $begingroup$
                  Agreed. It's amazing how well known natural selection is, and sexual selection is almost unknown, even though it's more important in some cases. For instance, humans almost all the time survive until breeding age, but having children and spreading their genes is completely different matter.
                  $endgroup$
                  – Nyos
                  12 hours ago












                  $begingroup$
                  @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
                  $endgroup$
                  – WhatRoughBeast
                  11 hours ago




                  $begingroup$
                  @Nyos - My own school days are long gone, but I remember in grade school reading about the Irish Elk, and being singularly unimpressed by the explanation of their enormous antlers as some sort of genetic overshoot. It was sexual selection all the way, baby.
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                  They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.



                  They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.



                  The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.



                  Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.






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                  They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.



                  They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.



                  The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.



                  Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.






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                    this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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                  They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.



                  They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.



                  The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.



                  Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.






                  share|improve this answer









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                  They live on a planet close to an X-ray star. A layer of heavy metals in their integument gives them some resistance to radiation.



                  They were engineered this way by a race that lusts for gold. The ants actually eat it, dissolve it in an internal equivalent of Aqua Regia, and plate it out on their integument.



                  The original species was much less discriminating and would use lead, cadmium, platinum, osmium -- almost any heavy nucleus.



                  Periodically the engineers land and release a pheromone that brings the ants to collection jars where they are flash burned, and the metal taken for further processing.







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                    this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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                  • $begingroup$
                    this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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                  $begingroup$
                  this is pretty much "damned clever" !
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                  – Fattie
                  21 hours ago




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                  Gold helps with their Farming



                  They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:




                  • Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.

                  • Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.


                  Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.




                  Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.




                  Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).



                  And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.



                  [The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]






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                    Gold helps with their Farming



                    They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:




                    • Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.

                    • Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.


                    Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.




                    Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.




                    Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).



                    And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.



                    [The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]






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                      Gold helps with their Farming



                      They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:




                      • Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.

                      • Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.


                      Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.




                      Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.




                      Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).



                      And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.



                      [The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]






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                      $endgroup$



                      Gold helps with their Farming



                      They don't bring gold to the surface and "throw it outside", but they could bring it into their fungus farms, where it could either:




                      • Repel harmful bacteria or organisms that would otherwise harm their farms.

                      • Attract & grow beneficial bacteria or organisms.


                      Some metals in our world exhibit an oligodynamic effect ("a chemical substance or microorganism intended to destroy, deter, render harmless, or exert a controlling effect on any harmful organism by chemical or biological means" [1]), including gold.




                      Apparently stainless steel is terrible at inhibiting bacteria, while brass would be much safer, in a hospital for example.




                      Some ants in our world have been farming fungus for millions of years, and apparently some people are wondering how they manage to avoid devastation by disease or parasites (like what happened to the Big Mike bananas).



                      And so in this other world there could be ants that farm a particular type of crop that either thrives on or around gold, or the gold repels a particularly nasty organism that would otherwise devastate their crops.



                      [The gold might not even affect their crop directly, but could be a link in a chain, like preventing a bacteria that would feed another fungus, that would feed another organism or predator, that would destroy the ants' crop or the ants themselves. Imagine a truffle-hunting pig (or elephant) that destroys everything in it's search.]







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                          Dummy gold war



                          They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.



                          Very effective.






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                            Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
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                            – liljoshu
                            yesterday












                          • $begingroup$
                            @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday
















                          1












                          $begingroup$

                          Dummy gold war



                          They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.



                          Very effective.






                          share|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$









                          • 1




                            $begingroup$
                            Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
                            $endgroup$
                            – liljoshu
                            yesterday












                          • $begingroup$
                            @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday














                          1












                          1








                          1





                          $begingroup$

                          Dummy gold war



                          They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.



                          Very effective.






                          share|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$



                          Dummy gold war



                          They are exceptionally clever ants. When they find gold, they plant it on the anthill of they enemy and wait for a human to see it and destroy their enemy.



                          Very effective.







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                          • 1




                            $begingroup$
                            Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
                            $endgroup$
                            – liljoshu
                            yesterday












                          • $begingroup$
                            @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday














                          • 1




                            $begingroup$
                            Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
                            $endgroup$
                            – liljoshu
                            yesterday












                          • $begingroup$
                            @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday










                          • $begingroup$
                            @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                            $endgroup$
                            – Xen2050
                            yesterday








                          1




                          1




                          $begingroup$
                          Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
                          $endgroup$
                          – liljoshu
                          yesterday






                          $begingroup$
                          Humans are common enough around the globe, I'm almost kind of surprised no animal has evolved something like this already if it wasn't for the fact evolution normally moves so slow, and drawing humans attention at all is probably worse than drawing them more to your enemy colony.
                          $endgroup$
                          – liljoshu
                          yesterday














                          $begingroup$
                          @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                          $endgroup$
                          – Xen2050
                          yesterday




                          $begingroup$
                          @liljoshu some animals have "evolved" to get help from humans, not in the limited "destroy my enemies" way, but in the "give me shelter & warmth & food" way, like dogs & cats
                          $endgroup$
                          – Xen2050
                          yesterday












                          $begingroup$
                          Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Kapten-N
                          yesterday




                          $begingroup$
                          Quotation marks on the "evolved" part in @Xen2050's comment, since that development has been heavily guided by human hands through selective breeding.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Kapten-N
                          yesterday












                          $begingroup$
                          @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                          $endgroup$
                          – Xen2050
                          yesterday




                          $begingroup$
                          @Kapten-N True, especially for dogs, but there was probably a "0-day exploit" of wild animals hanging around people for food (table scraps, bones, mice/rats). And cats still look & act a lot like their wild counterparts, aside from slightly less biting & scratching they may not have been bred to be very different, and domestic cats can still basically "run away" & go feral again easily, I doubt a chihuahua would fare well on it's own. [Original quotations were because it's unclear if learning a new trick to make others fight is really "evolving"]
                          $endgroup$
                          – Xen2050
                          yesterday











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                          Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.



                          Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.






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                            This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
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                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday
















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                          $begingroup$

                          Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.



                          Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.






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                          • $begingroup$
                            This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday














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                          $begingroup$

                          Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.



                          Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.






                          share|improve this answer









                          $endgroup$



                          Ants (of any size) communicate largely through pheromones - everything from mating to directions. As it happens, these ants also communicate through pheromones, but something about properties unique to gold either scrambles or removes the pheromone signals. Instinctively realizing that gold, therefore, is quite dangerous, the ants would thus attempt to remove the gold from their burrows, and depending on the strength of the effect, they may even hunt for gold and collect it to keep from being influenced.



                          Normal ants often have "garbage rooms" where they store their dead, as well as other garbage produced by the hill and its occupants, which would make a fine place to store excavated gold. They may even try to protect this gold, as their instincts have taught them that other creatures can use the gold to disorganize them.







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                          ArmanXArmanX

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                            This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday


















                          • $begingroup$
                            This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
                            $endgroup$
                            – Kapten-N
                            yesterday
















                          $begingroup$
                          This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Kapten-N
                          yesterday




                          $begingroup$
                          This answer sounds good, but it seems very unlikely. If I'm not mistaken, gold is a pretty inert material, i.e. it doesn't really react with most other substances. Thus it shouldn't really have any effect on ant pheromones either.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Kapten-N
                          yesterday











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                          It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.






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                            It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.






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                              It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.






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                              It's a result of Darwinian evolution. Ant colonies that expelled gold to the surface, for whatever reasons, naturally attracted humans to them. Humans have a proclivity for carrying food and water with them when they journey through the desert. Gold-laden dirt would be relatively heavy, so humans intending to collect the dirt and return it to civilization for refining would tend to leave an equivalent amount of mass behind. This jetsam would frequently contain consumables such as food and water that would no longer be needed due to the interrupted travel plans of the fortunate discoverer. Those ant colonies would be more likely to successfully spread deeper into areas of desert that would otherwise be too inhospitable for them.







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                                  Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.




                                  Their large size is the key.



                                  These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.



                                  Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.



                                  So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.






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                                    Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.




                                    Their large size is the key.



                                    These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.



                                    Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.



                                    So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.






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                                      Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.




                                      Their large size is the key.



                                      These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.



                                      Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.



                                      So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.






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                                      Medieval bestiaries describe a creature, a type of desert-dwelling ant that digs for gold. It was also said to be the size of a fox, but I'll ignore that in this question.




                                      Their large size is the key.



                                      These very large ants will only dig their mounds out of the sides of mountains, hills and cliffs. The geographical area contains a large deposits of quartz over several square miles, and there is less chance of a tunnel collapse inside a quartz mountain.



                                      Gold is found in quartz deposits, and the ants can dig out the gold far easier than quartz because it's a soft metal.



                                      So where there are ants, there is gold by the entrance to their quartz caves.







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                                      cgTagcgTag

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