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Is there any hidden 'W' sound after 'comment' in : Comment est-elle?
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Comment est-il?
I don't know why, even tho I know that there is no linking 'W' sound in French as there is in English I still hear it between 'comment' and 'est' as if it were (/kɔ.mɑ̃ w ɛt.i.l/) and it has been driving me crazy so I'm wondering if what I hear is correct.
Here is a link to a video where I think the 'W' sound is pronounced when 'comment est-il' is said :
https://youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
Note: I am not sure about the phonetic transcript. Feel free to correct it if it contains any mistakes.
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Comment est-il?
I don't know why, even tho I know that there is no linking 'W' sound in French as there is in English I still hear it between 'comment' and 'est' as if it were (/kɔ.mɑ̃ w ɛt.i.l/) and it has been driving me crazy so I'm wondering if what I hear is correct.
Here is a link to a video where I think the 'W' sound is pronounced when 'comment est-il' is said :
https://youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
Note: I am not sure about the phonetic transcript. Feel free to correct it if it contains any mistakes.
prononciation
asked 6 hours ago
ManarManar
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There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago
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Comment est-il?
I don't know why, even tho I know that there is no linking 'W' sound in French as there is in English I still hear it between 'comment' and 'est' as if it were (/kɔ.mɑ̃ w ɛt.i.l/) and it has been driving me crazy so I'm wondering if what I hear is correct.
Here is a link to a video where I think the 'W' sound is pronounced when 'comment est-il' is said :
https://youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
Note: I am not sure about the phonetic transcript. Feel free to correct it if it contains any mistakes.
prononciation
asked 6 hours ago
ManarManar
305
Comment est-il?
I don't know why, even tho I know that there is no linking 'W' sound in French as there is in English I still hear it between 'comment' and 'est' as if it were (/kɔ.mɑ̃ w ɛt.i.l/) and it has been driving me crazy so I'm wondering if what I hear is correct.
Here is a link to a video where I think the 'W' sound is pronounced when 'comment est-il' is said :
https://youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
Note: I am not sure about the phonetic transcript. Feel free to correct it if it contains any mistakes.
prononciation
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ManarManar
305
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Manar
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There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago
There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago
There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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In both the video and Google Translate's pronunciation, I think I understand what you're hearing. It seems to be an implicit glide between the /ɑ̃/ and the /ɛ/ simply as a function of the first being further back: /ɑ/ is open back, whereas /ɛ/ is open-mid front.
If a speaker is not very careful to articulate each sound distinctly (as is normal in spoken language), you can get a "legato" effect. The tongue makes essentially the same motion by moving from front to back as it would make if you were intentionally articulating a /w/.1
However, /w/ is also labial and that feature is absent in both of those unrounded vowels, so it's not a full /w/. If you slow the video down to 0.5x speed, you'll hear more clearly what's happening.
1 The phenomenon of two consecutive vowels is called hiatus. If not resolved, it can lead to just this sort of confusion. One way to resolve it is a brief glottal stop, perceived as a pause between the vowels. Also common in French is liaison, at least where it's syntactically possible.
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
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A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You answered your own question: there is not and there is no reason why there would be. Where did you hear this -- is this some specific accent perhaps?
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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In both the video and Google Translate's pronunciation, I think I understand what you're hearing. It seems to be an implicit glide between the /ɑ̃/ and the /ɛ/ simply as a function of the first being further back: /ɑ/ is open back, whereas /ɛ/ is open-mid front.
If a speaker is not very careful to articulate each sound distinctly (as is normal in spoken language), you can get a "legato" effect. The tongue makes essentially the same motion by moving from front to back as it would make if you were intentionally articulating a /w/.1
However, /w/ is also labial and that feature is absent in both of those unrounded vowels, so it's not a full /w/. If you slow the video down to 0.5x speed, you'll hear more clearly what's happening.
1 The phenomenon of two consecutive vowels is called hiatus. If not resolved, it can lead to just this sort of confusion. One way to resolve it is a brief glottal stop, perceived as a pause between the vowels. Also common in French is liaison, at least where it's syntactically possible.
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
10.3k21444
A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
add a comment |
In both the video and Google Translate's pronunciation, I think I understand what you're hearing. It seems to be an implicit glide between the /ɑ̃/ and the /ɛ/ simply as a function of the first being further back: /ɑ/ is open back, whereas /ɛ/ is open-mid front.
If a speaker is not very careful to articulate each sound distinctly (as is normal in spoken language), you can get a "legato" effect. The tongue makes essentially the same motion by moving from front to back as it would make if you were intentionally articulating a /w/.1
However, /w/ is also labial and that feature is absent in both of those unrounded vowels, so it's not a full /w/. If you slow the video down to 0.5x speed, you'll hear more clearly what's happening.
1 The phenomenon of two consecutive vowels is called hiatus. If not resolved, it can lead to just this sort of confusion. One way to resolve it is a brief glottal stop, perceived as a pause between the vowels. Also common in French is liaison, at least where it's syntactically possible.
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
10.3k21444
A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
add a comment |
In both the video and Google Translate's pronunciation, I think I understand what you're hearing. It seems to be an implicit glide between the /ɑ̃/ and the /ɛ/ simply as a function of the first being further back: /ɑ/ is open back, whereas /ɛ/ is open-mid front.
If a speaker is not very careful to articulate each sound distinctly (as is normal in spoken language), you can get a "legato" effect. The tongue makes essentially the same motion by moving from front to back as it would make if you were intentionally articulating a /w/.1
However, /w/ is also labial and that feature is absent in both of those unrounded vowels, so it's not a full /w/. If you slow the video down to 0.5x speed, you'll hear more clearly what's happening.
1 The phenomenon of two consecutive vowels is called hiatus. If not resolved, it can lead to just this sort of confusion. One way to resolve it is a brief glottal stop, perceived as a pause between the vowels. Also common in French is liaison, at least where it's syntactically possible.
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
10.3k21444
In both the video and Google Translate's pronunciation, I think I understand what you're hearing. It seems to be an implicit glide between the /ɑ̃/ and the /ɛ/ simply as a function of the first being further back: /ɑ/ is open back, whereas /ɛ/ is open-mid front.
If a speaker is not very careful to articulate each sound distinctly (as is normal in spoken language), you can get a "legato" effect. The tongue makes essentially the same motion by moving from front to back as it would make if you were intentionally articulating a /w/.1
However, /w/ is also labial and that feature is absent in both of those unrounded vowels, so it's not a full /w/. If you slow the video down to 0.5x speed, you'll hear more clearly what's happening.
1 The phenomenon of two consecutive vowels is called hiatus. If not resolved, it can lead to just this sort of confusion. One way to resolve it is a brief glottal stop, perceived as a pause between the vowels. Also common in French is liaison, at least where it's syntactically possible.
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
10.3k21444
edited 5 hours ago
answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
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answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
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answered 5 hours ago
Luke SawczakLuke Sawczak
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A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
add a comment |
A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
A link to a place where one can hear the actual nasal vowel /ɑ̃/ (first paragraph).
– Montée de lait
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
So if I understood correctly, in the video and Google Transelate's pronunciation there is a /w/ sound but it is not a full /w/ sound though because such sound require the lips and I should be careful ,when saying such sentence, to not say neither a /w/ sound or a half /w/ sound and to use a glottal stop instead or a liaison ,if it's possible.
– Manar
5 hours ago
2
2
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
@Manar The best way is probably not to think about it at all. If you make those vowels right, you'll get the same effects automatically -- and native speakers won't be listening for it anyway, possibly not even aware of it.
– Luke Sawczak
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You answered your own question: there is not and there is no reason why there would be. Where did you hear this -- is this some specific accent perhaps?
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
add a comment |
You answered your own question: there is not and there is no reason why there would be. Where did you hear this -- is this some specific accent perhaps?
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
add a comment |
You answered your own question: there is not and there is no reason why there would be. Where did you hear this -- is this some specific accent perhaps?
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
You answered your own question: there is not and there is no reason why there would be. Where did you hear this -- is this some specific accent perhaps?
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
answered 5 hours ago
Mathieu BouvilleMathieu Bouville
64211
64211
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
Maybe as I sometimes hear it and sometimes not. Here in this video, for example, I hear it. youtu.be/V98BvCQrVeM
– Manar
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
@Manar Can you add that link to the question please?
– Luke Sawczak
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
In addition, when I typed it on 'google transelate' and listened to the audio of it being pronounced I heard the 'W' sound. I even recorded the audio and tried to hear it in a slower speed and still heard it.
– Manar
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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There is not the least trace of a w sound after "comment" in either of the sources you mention; I've listened repeatedly; that is very strange. All that can be heard from Google translate is the somewhat blurred pronunciation of "il" (almost "i" instead of "il"). google
– LPH
4 hours ago