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Could moose/elk survive in the Amazon forest?



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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?



They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?










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    Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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    @Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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    I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?



They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?










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    Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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    @Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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    I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?



They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?










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In my story, there is a civilization living in the Amazon rainforest. They need some time of mount that is adapted to the forest. I don't think horses can survive by themselves in there, so I was thinking, can moose/elk survive in the Amazon rainforest?



They would have been transported by ship there, but would they be able to survive? If not, is there an adaptation I need to make to the moose/elk? Maybe an artificially select species?







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    Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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    @Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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    I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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    Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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    @Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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    I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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Hi Onix, I changed around some tags and you should check them and make sure they work for you. I took out evolution because your question isn't about them evolving but rather if they can survive as a foreign species transported there.
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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@Cyn I put evolution because I do think that some artificial selection would take part in helping the species surviving there, but thinking about it I do agree that it's best if evolution is removed. Thank you!
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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I feel like I need to ask what your civilization is using these mounts for. Generally the thicker the terrain, the less useful mounted travel actually is, because you're spending more effort making pathways the mounts can travel through than you're gaining back by not Just Walking.
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No, but plenty of their relatives can



A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.





  • Bongo

  • Lowland Anoa

  • Okapi


These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:





  • Water Buffalo

  • Asian Elephant


Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:





  • Baird's Tapir (still alive!)


  • Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)


  • Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)


  • Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)


For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.






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    Actual brazillian here.



    The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.



    It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:




    • Populated by piranhas;

    • Populated by alligators, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);

    • Too polluted to allow for piranhas or alligators.


    Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.



    Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.



    We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.



    The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".



    When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:




    • Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;

    • Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;

    • Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.






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      I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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      Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
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      @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
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    There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará):



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    In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.



    By the way, there are wild horses in the Amazon.






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      Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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    Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.






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      No, but plenty of their relatives can



      A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.





      • Bongo

      • Lowland Anoa

      • Okapi


      These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:





      • Water Buffalo

      • Asian Elephant


      Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:





      • Baird's Tapir (still alive!)


      • Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)


      • Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)


      • Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)


      For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.






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        No, but plenty of their relatives can



        A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.





        • Bongo

        • Lowland Anoa

        • Okapi


        These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:





        • Water Buffalo

        • Asian Elephant


        Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:





        • Baird's Tapir (still alive!)


        • Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)


        • Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)


        • Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)


        For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.






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          No, but plenty of their relatives can



          A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.





          • Bongo

          • Lowland Anoa

          • Okapi


          These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:





          • Water Buffalo

          • Asian Elephant


          Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:





          • Baird's Tapir (still alive!)


          • Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)


          • Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)


          • Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)


          For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.






          share|improve this answer









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          No, but plenty of their relatives can



          A moose or elk would die in the high heat and with limited resistance to insects and such. They simply aren't designed for the rainforest. However, there are plenty of animals large enough to mount that are native to a rainforest, and a rainforest alone.





          • Bongo

          • Lowland Anoa

          • Okapi


          These animals are not domesticated, so there is one difficulty. In addition, there are several animals that don't live strictly in rainforests, but are domesticated:





          • Water Buffalo

          • Asian Elephant


          Finally, since you mention the Amazon specifically, there are more appropriate animals that are large enough to mount that you could assume were domesticated there. The list of potential mounts gets much larger if you include recently extinct megafauna of South America:





          • Baird's Tapir (still alive!)


          • Stegomastodon/Notiomastodon (taxonomy debated, extinct either way)


          • Macrauchenia (not certain this genus' exact habitat)


          • Toxodon (again, not certain if this species actually lived in the rainforest)


          For the extinct species, it is worth pointing out that if they left fossils in the Amazon, there is basically no way the bones would have survived to the present day; the rainforest being perhaps the worst possible environment for bone preservation.







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              Actual brazillian here.



              The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.



              It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:




              • Populated by piranhas;

              • Populated by alligators, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);

              • Too polluted to allow for piranhas or alligators.


              Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.



              Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.



              We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.



              The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".



              When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:




              • Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;

              • Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;

              • Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.






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                I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
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                Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
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                @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
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              Actual brazillian here.



              The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.



              It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:




              • Populated by piranhas;

              • Populated by alligators, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);

              • Too polluted to allow for piranhas or alligators.


              Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.



              Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.



              We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.



              The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".



              When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:




              • Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;

              • Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;

              • Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.






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                $begingroup$
                I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
                $endgroup$
                – Willk
                2 hours ago






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                $begingroup$
                Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago










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                @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
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              Actual brazillian here.



              The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.



              It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:




              • Populated by piranhas;

              • Populated by alligators, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);

              • Too polluted to allow for piranhas or alligators.


              Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.



              Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.



              We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.



              The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".



              When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:




              • Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;

              • Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;

              • Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.






              share|improve this answer











              $endgroup$



              Actual brazillian here.



              The reason why you won't find any mountable animals in the amazon rain forest is because it's kinda like a more green, lush version of Australia, in the aspect that half of the biomass is out to kill you in horrible ways.



              It is a [redacted] to go through the jungle, on foot or otherwise. And the river waters can be classified in three types:




              • Populated by piranhas;

              • Populated by alligators, which eat piranhas (besides cattle and humans);

              • Too polluted to allow for piranhas or alligators.


              Before western civilization started messing up the ecosystem, indigenous populations would make the water closer to their villages swimming safe by ingenuous application of poison vine essences, which paralyze the piranhas.



              Back on land you have 20-cm wide tarantulas whose venom will give you a three-days long constant erection. That would be funny if it weren't for the risk of penile gangrene. Then there are vampire bats, which can carry rabies.



              We also have jaguars. They hunt alligators underwater, and they mimic birds and monkeys to lure and eat them on tree canopies. There are reports of jaguars being able to mimic the cries of human babies. Jaguars are loathed by farmers because when they get out of the jungles and into farmlands, they sneak into fences by night to kill cattle.



              The icing on the cake are the anacondas. They are sneaky as hell, swim faster than you, and unlike rap music anacondas they will want some even if you've got no buns. They are not picky and will eat cattle and humans. If you raise elks in the rain forest, they will become anaconda food faster than you can say "god [redacted]!".



              When people do raise cattle in the north of Brazil, it's always one of these three situations:




              • Cattle raised on farmlands - lands that are no longer forest;

              • Cattle that is confined to very tight fences and allowed to walk only where it's deemed to be safe, usually raised by small, poor families. The poor critters usually live in areas smaller than an acre;

              • Then there is the third type. We have an expression, "boi de piranha"... It translates roughly to "the ox that belongs to the piranhas". These are raised for the sole purpose of making river crossing safer. When you wish to cross piranha infested waters, you send the critter first and wait until the feeding frenzy stops before you go. Usually the piranhas get full and sated with the ox and leave you alone. This is about the only use you will have for an elk this side of the equator.







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              • 5




                $begingroup$
                I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
                $endgroup$
                – Willk
                2 hours ago






              • 3




                $begingroup$
                Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago










              • $begingroup$
                @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                14 mins ago














              • 5




                $begingroup$
                I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
                $endgroup$
                – Willk
                2 hours ago






              • 3




                $begingroup$
                Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago










              • $begingroup$
                @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                14 mins ago








              5




              5




              $begingroup$
              I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
              $endgroup$
              – Willk
              2 hours ago




              $begingroup$
              I have a vision of a movie where there is one anglo dude who is referred to as "boi de piranha" by his fellow soldiers. He thinks it is because he is a badass piranha boi. That is not why.
              $endgroup$
              – Willk
              2 hours ago




              3




              3




              $begingroup$
              Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
              $endgroup$
              – Cyn
              1 hour ago




              $begingroup$
              Love the level of detail (though I'll love it from a distance, thank you). Glad to see an answer from someone who's actually lived in the area.
              $endgroup$
              – Cyn
              1 hour ago












              $begingroup$
              @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
              $endgroup$
              – Renan
              14 mins ago




              $begingroup$
              @Cyn to be honest I live quite far from it. Me talking about it is like a texan talking about Alaska. But I've been there once. Also there are gruesome images of people eaten by anacondas if you google for them. The rain forest is not for the faint of heart.
              $endgroup$
              – Renan
              14 mins ago











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              There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará):



              enter image description here



              In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.



              By the way, there are wild horses in the Amazon.






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              • $begingroup$
                This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                $endgroup$
                – Liam Morris
                4 hours ago






              • 13




                $begingroup$
                Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                3 hours ago








              • 6




                $begingroup$
                Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
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                – MrSpudtastic
                2 hours ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
                $endgroup$
                – only_pro
                51 mins ago


















              14












              $begingroup$

              There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará):



              enter image description here



              In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.



              By the way, there are wild horses in the Amazon.






              share|improve this answer










              New contributor




              Non Playable Character is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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              $endgroup$













              • $begingroup$
                This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                $endgroup$
                – Liam Morris
                4 hours ago






              • 13




                $begingroup$
                Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                3 hours ago








              • 6




                $begingroup$
                Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
                $endgroup$
                – MrSpudtastic
                2 hours ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
                $endgroup$
                – only_pro
                51 mins ago
















              14












              14








              14





              $begingroup$

              There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará):



              enter image description here



              In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.



              By the way, there are wild horses in the Amazon.






              share|improve this answer










              New contributor




              Non Playable Character is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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              $endgroup$



              There are Buffalos in the Amazon (in the Brazilian state of Pará):



              enter image description here



              In addition, although not in the rainforest properly, but close, there is the Marsh deer.



              By the way, there are wild horses in the Amazon.







              share|improve this answer










              New contributor




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              edited 1 hour ago









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              • $begingroup$
                This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                $endgroup$
                – Liam Morris
                4 hours ago






              • 13




                $begingroup$
                Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                3 hours ago








              • 6




                $begingroup$
                Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
                $endgroup$
                – MrSpudtastic
                2 hours ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
                $endgroup$
                – only_pro
                51 mins ago




















              • $begingroup$
                This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
                $endgroup$
                – Liam Morris
                4 hours ago






              • 13




                $begingroup$
                Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
                $endgroup$
                – Renan
                3 hours ago








              • 6




                $begingroup$
                Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
                $endgroup$
                – MrSpudtastic
                2 hours ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
                $endgroup$
                – Cyn
                1 hour ago






              • 1




                $begingroup$
                Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
                $endgroup$
                – only_pro
                51 mins ago


















              $begingroup$
              This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
              $endgroup$
              – Liam Morris
              4 hours ago




              $begingroup$
              This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
              $endgroup$
              – Liam Morris
              4 hours ago




              13




              13




              $begingroup$
              Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Renan
              3 hours ago






              $begingroup$
              Despite this guy's remark on commenting, this seems like an actual valid answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Renan
              3 hours ago






              6




              6




              $begingroup$
              Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
              $endgroup$
              – MrSpudtastic
              2 hours ago




              $begingroup$
              Though you shouldn't answer to make a comment, this "comment" looks like a good base for an answer. I might suggest you edit out the "[can't] comment on kingledion answer" part and just present the rest as evidence that a moose or elk could survive in the rainforest.
              $endgroup$
              – MrSpudtastic
              2 hours ago




              1




              1




              $begingroup$
              I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
              $endgroup$
              – Cyn
              1 hour ago




              $begingroup$
              I agree...it's sparse but it's enough to count as an answer. Plus the awesome picture.
              $endgroup$
              – Cyn
              1 hour ago




              1




              1




              $begingroup$
              Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
              $endgroup$
              – only_pro
              51 mins ago






              $begingroup$
              Right? Great answer, upvoted. Not sure why people who aren't moderators try to act like moderators. No. One. Cares. @LiamMorris
              $endgroup$
              – only_pro
              51 mins ago













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              Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.






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                $begingroup$

                Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.






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                  6












                  6








                  6





                  $begingroup$

                  Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.






                  share|improve this answer









                  $endgroup$



                  Putting climate and disease environment aside, because kingledion covered them, there is the issue of antlers and rainforest growth. Rainforests don't have an open understory the way mature conifer or oak woodlands do, as such anything that grows a large rack of antlers is seriously maladapted to moving around and feeding in the environment. There is evidence of several moose/elk species dying out because when their environment became forested because of this very issue, most notably the Irish Elk.







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