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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?

kanji etymology

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  Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F
  
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  Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.
  
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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?

kanji etymology

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  Your own source answers this, saying: 'a mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand.' en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%A3%9F
  
  – user27280
  4 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Pictographic Kanji are simplified or abstract depictions of the word they're supposed to represent. They're not going to include every single detail of the situation... hands do not add anything important to the action to eat.
  
  – droooze
  1 hour ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  

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In the Wiktionary page for this kanji they said that it's a pictogram for someone's mouth over a bowl of rice on a stand .. the question is: are they meaning this was the actual way for eating in this time without using hands? Or this just a symbol?

kanji etymology

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edited 1 hour ago

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Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.

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  I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer
  
  – user32763
  4 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)
  
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  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.

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「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:

商
甲

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「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.

---

商
甲

存下764
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　今
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　今
楷


　

「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.

篆

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　今
楷


　

「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.

---

References:

• 季旭昇《說文新證》


• 小學堂


• 
  國學大師
  
  
  
  
  • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》
  
  
  • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》
  
  
  
  

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Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer
  
  – user32763
  4 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)
  
  – db2
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

1

Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.

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  I know this bro but I want to know if this mouth just a sympol or this was the actuall way of eating with mouth without hands ? .. and thanks for the answer
  
  – user32763
  4 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  The dates I'm seeing suggest that chopsticks were invented a few hundred years before the earliest Chinese writing system, so it seems unlikely (though not impossible) that they were actually eating by just slamming their face down on the rice bowl. :)
  
  – db2
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

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Here's the illustration from [学習]{がくしゅう}[漢字]{かんじ}[新辞典]{しんじてん} (a great little elementary-level Kanji dictionary) that shows the origins of 食 as an open mouth pointing straight down, over a bowl filled with rice.

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「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.

商
甲

甲1289
合集11485春秋
金

仲義⿱貝口
集成2279
篆

說文解字
　秦
簡

睡ㆍ秦78
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:

商
甲

珠579
合集27706秦
簡

睡ㆍ為32
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.

---

商
甲

存下764
合集32879商
甲

京津4144
合集27937
篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　今
楷


　

「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.

篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　

「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.

---

References:

• 季旭昇《說文新證》


• 小學堂


• 
  國學大師
  
  
  
  
  • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》
  
  
  • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》
  
  
  
  

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1

「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.

商
甲

甲1289
合集11485春秋
金

仲義⿱貝口
集成2279
篆

說文解字
　秦
簡

睡ㆍ秦78
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:

商
甲

珠579
合集27706秦
簡

睡ㆍ為32
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.

---

商
甲

存下764
合集32879商
甲

京津4144
合集27937
篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　今
楷


　

「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.

篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　

「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.

---

References:

• 季旭昇《說文新證》


• 小學堂


• 
  國學大師
  
  
  
  
  • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》
  
  
  • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》
  
  
  
  

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「食」(to eat) was originally「𠊊」, comprised of a mouth「亼・亽」and a cereal/grain/wheat basket「皀」. In the character「食」,「皀」was later changed into the shape of「艮」.

商
甲

甲1289
合集11485春秋
金

仲義⿱貝口
集成2279
篆

說文解字
　秦
簡

睡ㆍ秦78
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」is「口」(mouth) written upside-down. This is more evident in the older shapes of「口」:

商
甲

珠579
合集27706秦
簡

睡ㆍ為32
　今
楷


　

「亼・亽」functions as a semantic component in characters like 令, 命, 合, 今, among others.

---

商
甲

存下764
合集32879商
甲

京津4144
合集27937
篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　今
楷


　

「皀」fell into disuse as an individual character, but the word it represented remained, now written as「簋」, formed by adding「竹」(bamboo) and「皿」(dish; vessel) onto「皀」.

篆

說文解字
　今
楷


　

「皀」is a component in characters like 卽 (Shinjitai: 即), 旣 (Shinjitai: 既), 鄕 (Shinjitai: 郷), among others.

---

References:

• 季旭昇《說文新證》


• 小學堂


• 
  國學大師
  
  
  
  
  • 郭沫若《甲骨文合集》
  
  
  • 中國社會科學院考古研究所《殷周金文集成》
  
  
  
  

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