Can you combine War Caster, whip, and Warlock Features to EB enemies with reach?War Caster, a whip and a...
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Can you combine War Caster, whip, and Warlock Features to EB enemies with reach?
War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity AttacksWar Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity AttacksCan you chain Tempestuous magic and War Caster?Can Warlock with the Polearm Master and War Caster Feats cast Eldritch Blast as an Opportunity Attack while wearing a shield, RAW?Does War Caster allow the use of two wielded items AND the use of your spellcasting focus?Does the 3rd benefit of the Sentinel feat combine with reach weapons?Warlock Hexblade: Do you get Hex Warrior's Cha bonus with a versatile weapon without Pact of the Blade?Does War Caster let you cast Green-Flame Blade instead of an attack of opportunity?Can you combine Polearm Master with War Caster to cast Booming Blade as enemies approach?Can a Pact of the Blade warlock with Improved Pact Weapon use a reach weapon as a spellcasting focus to deliver touch spells?Does reach apply to non-attack triggers?
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
dnd-5e feats warlock opportunity-attack reach
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So, Whip is a one-handed martial weapon with reach. Reach is a feature that, among other things, lets you make opportunity attacks with that weapon out to 10 feet instead of just five.
Equipment
Reach (p. 147). This property also
determines your reach for opportunity attacks
with a reach weapon.
— PHB Errata
War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of making an opportunity attack.
Both Hexblade and the Eldritch Invocation Improved Pact Weapon have ways of letting you use a one-handed martial weapon as your spellcasting focus.
So, if you have War Caster, and you have a whip that you can use as a spellcasting focus, would that let you use Eldritch Blast on anyone who provokes an opportunity attack within 10 feet?
As far as I can tell, the real question is whether "spell using the weapon as a spellcasting focus" counts for the "with that weapon" requirement of the Reach property, but I haven't been able to find a clear answer on that.
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
2 hours ago
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
2 hours ago
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence of action and of the logic here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
The PHB Errata also confirms this:
This property also determines your reach for opportunity attacks with a reach weapon.
At this point, we know that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach and that OAs are triggered when a creature leaves your reach.
The condition for reach at 10' has been met and the condition of triggering an OA has been met at 10' when holding a whip.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
This closes the loop on the action. We've covered that the OA is triggered at 10' because of your whip reach, and we've covered that when you get an OA with War Caster you can cast a spell instead. As long as the spellcasting requirements are met (range/components), then you can cast your spell in this case.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, but Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary.
When an enemy moves out of your reach, it provokes an opportunity attack from you, so when an enemy leaves the reach of your whip it provokes an opportunity attack from you (rules on Combat):
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
If you have the War Caster feat, when an enemy provokes an opportunity attack from you due to movement, you can forego the opportunity attack and instead use your reaction to cast an eligible spell such as eldritch blast (rules on War Caster):
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack.
So, yes, your intended tactic works: the enemy provokes an opportunity attack due to movement, so instead of making an opportunity attack you use your reaction to cast eldritch blast.
However, it's completely irrelevant whether the whip is your spellcasting focus or not. With War Caster, you can provide the somatic components of eldritch blast even if your hands are full of weapons. With Improved Pact Weapon, you could provide the material components of a spell using your pact weapon as your focus, but eldritch blast doesn't have material components, so Improved Pact Weapon isn't necessary to be able to make this tactic work.
All you need is the War Caster feat and a whip.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence of action and of the logic here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
The PHB Errata also confirms this:
This property also determines your reach for opportunity attacks with a reach weapon.
At this point, we know that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach and that OAs are triggered when a creature leaves your reach.
The condition for reach at 10' has been met and the condition of triggering an OA has been met at 10' when holding a whip.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
This closes the loop on the action. We've covered that the OA is triggered at 10' because of your whip reach, and we've covered that when you get an OA with War Caster you can cast a spell instead. As long as the spellcasting requirements are met (range/components), then you can cast your spell in this case.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
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@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence of action and of the logic here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
The PHB Errata also confirms this:
This property also determines your reach for opportunity attacks with a reach weapon.
At this point, we know that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach and that OAs are triggered when a creature leaves your reach.
The condition for reach at 10' has been met and the condition of triggering an OA has been met at 10' when holding a whip.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
This closes the loop on the action. We've covered that the OA is triggered at 10' because of your whip reach, and we've covered that when you get an OA with War Caster you can cast a spell instead. As long as the spellcasting requirements are met (range/components), then you can cast your spell in this case.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
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@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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show 3 more comments
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence of action and of the logic here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
The PHB Errata also confirms this:
This property also determines your reach for opportunity attacks with a reach weapon.
At this point, we know that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach and that OAs are triggered when a creature leaves your reach.
The condition for reach at 10' has been met and the condition of triggering an OA has been met at 10' when holding a whip.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
This closes the loop on the action. We've covered that the OA is triggered at 10' because of your whip reach, and we've covered that when you get an OA with War Caster you can cast a spell instead. As long as the spellcasting requirements are met (range/components), then you can cast your spell in this case.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
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Yes, all requirements are meant
Let's look at the sequence of action and of the logic here:
Enemy is at 10' away - They are currently in your active reach if you are wielding a whip because it has the Reach property which extends your reach when using it by 10'.
This weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
Enemy moves further away - This triggers an Opportunity Attack
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach.
The PHB Errata also confirms this:
This property also determines your reach for opportunity attacks with a reach weapon.
At this point, we know that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach and that OAs are triggered when a creature leaves your reach.
The condition for reach at 10' has been met and the condition of triggering an OA has been met at 10' when holding a whip.
Cast EB - War Caster lets you cast a spell instead of make an opportunity attack.
When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.
This closes the loop on the action. We've covered that the OA is triggered at 10' because of your whip reach, and we've covered that when you get an OA with War Caster you can cast a spell instead. As long as the spellcasting requirements are met (range/components), then you can cast your spell in this case.
EB's requirements are verbal and somatic. As long as you can speak and have a hand free for your somatic component, then you can cast it.
All conditions have been met (OA at 10' from whip, cast spell instead of attack), so this combo works.
edited 1 min ago
answered 2 hours ago
NautArchNautArch
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
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– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
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– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
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@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
1
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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show 3 more comments
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
$begingroup$
@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
$endgroup$
– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
1
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
1
1
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
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Can you point out where reach is defined to be 10' even when not making an attack with that weapon? Am I missing something here?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Rubiksmoose It doesn't need to say that. It's merely that when wielding a whip you have a 10' reach. If someone moves out of 10', that triggers an OA (with the whip.) But War Caster only says that when a creature's movement provokes an OA (which happens at 10' with the whip), then you can cast a spell instead.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
2 hours ago
1
1
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@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
@Rubiksmoose I've outlined the logic, but basically it doesn't matter. What matters are the conditions for OA and Warcaster - and those are met. Your reach is simply your reach and that's what triggers the OA and then in turn War Caster.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
1 hour ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@NautArch I think your answer would be improved by combining your separate 3 step lists into one 3-step list. Right now it kind of looks like it's duplicating information at the bottom (and sort of looks like it was just added to prevent arugments). I think including the justifications as part of the requirements would make it flow more clearly.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
1
1
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Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Naut, if you are comfortable with your answer you might consider adding your answer to this one which seems like it would be an easy adaptation and a good addition to that question.
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– Rubiksmoose
1 hour ago
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
add a comment |
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
add a comment |
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
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You can cast a spell at a creature only if it leaves your normal reach of 5 feet
Reach The weapon adds 5 feet to your reach when you attack with it, as well as when determining your reach for opportunity attacks with it.
You can only provoke an OA with a whip when you are making the OA with the whip.
Using the weapon as a spellcasting focus does not mean you are taking an OA with the whip. The whip is used as part of spellcasting and does not affect the reach of your spell. The reach of your character for OAs made without a whip is simply 5 feet by default.
And since War Caster does not even have you making any sort of OA, simply casting a spell instead of taking an OA, the reach of your whip will always be irrelevant for it, spellcasting focus or no.
Jeremy Crawford agrees in an unofficial tweet:
The War Caster feat relies on your normal reach for the opportunity attack.
This Q&A also comes to the same conclusion in a very related question.
edited 2 hours ago
answered 2 hours ago
RubiksmooseRubiksmoose
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
add a comment |
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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@NautArch I agree. I don't think this answer is correct so I'm deleting it.
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– Rubiksmoose
36 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
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i'll work on updating my answer with your suggestion on consolidating the lists.
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– NautArch
32 mins ago
add a comment |
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To confirm, this is a case where someone doesn't get within 5' (stays at 10'), and then they move away and whether or not you can use your Warcaster ability?
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– NautArch
2 hours ago
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@NautArch That would be the simplest such case, yes. If they're somehow doing something else that might provoke an opportunity attack when standing 10 feet away, the question is also asking abut that. Also, specifically it's about using the warcaster ability in that case with a spell that does not normally have a weapon component - not greenflame blade or booming blade.
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– Ben Barden
2 hours ago
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Related: War Caster, a whip and a dagger, and provoking Opportunity Attacks
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– Rubiksmoose
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@BenBarden Due to the contention surrounding these answers, I might suggest that you hold off on marking mine correct quite so soon, even if I do happen to think my answer is correct. It might be a bit premature if we suss out additional relevant rules/errata that affect the answer. Just my suggestion.
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– Bloodcinder
1 hour ago
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@Bloodcinder fair. The logic seems pretty clear to me, based on what you presented, but it's true that there could have been pertinent rulings.
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– Ben Barden
1 hour ago