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Can the Great Weapon Master feat's damage bonus and accuracy penalty apply to attacks from the Spiritual Weapon spell?

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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:

• Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.

The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:

You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.

Does the chosen form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?

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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:

• Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.

The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:

You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.

Does the chosen form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?

dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack

share|improve this question

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

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RykaraRykara

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  Related: How does the Spiritual Weapon spell work?, Would it be possible to grab my Spiritual Weapon and make a melee attack with it?, Can you pick up an ally's Spiritual Weapon and use it as your own?
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The Great Weapon Master feat (PHB, p. 167) says:

• Before you make a melee attack with a heavy weapon that you are proficient with, you can choose to take a -5 penalty to the attack roll. If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage.

The Spiritual Weapon spell description reads:

You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon. [...] The weapon can take whatever form you choose.

Does the chosen form determine the stats of the weapon (and therefore grant the Heavy attribute that allows the listed GWM benefit to be used), or is it just a cosmetic decision?

dnd-5e spells feats weapons attack

share|improve this question

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

4,6591952

asked 3 hours ago

RykaraRykara

5,6021647

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share|improve this question

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

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asked 3 hours ago

RykaraRykara

5,6021647

share|improve this question

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

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RykaraRykara

5,6021647

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

4,6591952

edited 8 mins ago

Blake Steel

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asked 3 hours ago

RykaraRykara

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From the spell's description (emphasis mine):

The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon.

Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)

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  That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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  @Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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  @Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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  Oh, and this answer might be improved by citing the last paragraph of the spell description: "The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon." This makes it clear that the spell's effect is not a weapon - it just resembles one.
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No

From the spell's description (emphasis mine):

The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon.

Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)

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edited 1 hour ago

answered 3 hours ago

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  That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
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  @Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
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  @Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
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  Oh, and this answer might be improved by citing the last paragraph of the spell description: "The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon." This makes it clear that the spell's effect is not a weapon - it just resembles one.
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No

From the spell's description (emphasis mine):

The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon.

Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)

share|improve this answer

edited 1 hour ago

answered 3 hours ago

Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig

75838

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  That was a thought I had, too, but I realized that Warlock's Pact of the Blade says " You can choose the form that this melee weapon takes each time you create it." It never explicitly calls out stats either, but the implication is that the stats would match the chosen form. One would assume the two summoned weapons would be treated in the same way, barring an explicit rule that contradicts this assumption.
  $endgroup$
  – Rykara
  3 hours ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Rykara The intent is clearly that spiritual weapon would not work with GWM, but you bring up an intriguing point there.
  $endgroup$
  – Chris Starnes
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @Rykara: The key might be that the details of the weapons are only given in the weapons table/section, so the stats of those weapons must be there; in contrast, spiritual weapon tells you the damage it does and how it works, overruling any specific stats regarding such weapons.
  $endgroup$
  – V2Blast
  3 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Oh, and this answer might be improved by citing the last paragraph of the spell description: "The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon." This makes it clear that the spell's effect is not a weapon - it just resembles one.
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No

From the spell's description (emphasis mine):

The weapon can take whatever form you choose. Clerics of deities who are associated with a particular weapon (as St. Cuthbert is known for his mace and Thor for his hammer) make this spell's effect resemble that weapon.

Unfortunately, Spiritual Weapon only takes the form of a weapon, not its statistics. So the spiritual weapon does not gain attributes like Heavy, Reach, etc. It just looks like whatever weapon you choose. (Note that the damage dice are independent of the original weapon as well.)

share|improve this answer

edited 1 hour ago

answered 3 hours ago

Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig

75838

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share|improve this answer

edited 1 hour ago

answered 3 hours ago

Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig

75838

answered 3 hours ago

Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig

75838

answered 3 hours ago

Nicolas BudigNicolas Budig

75838