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Every move in chess involves moving a piece to a square. Let us call this square the "move-square" for that turn.



In the following, the move-square of the black player must be symmetrical (over the obvious center-horizontal) to the move-square by white on that turn. The requirements may be met with a white move, but an additional valid move for black must be shown to exist. This extra move is not included when counting the number of moves taken to reach one of the below conditions.




What is the shortest sequence (with symmetrical move-squares) resulting in a Rook x Rook capture?

Resulting in a Knight x Rook capture?

Resulting in Queen x Bishop capture?











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    Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
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    @PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
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$begingroup$


Every move in chess involves moving a piece to a square. Let us call this square the "move-square" for that turn.



In the following, the move-square of the black player must be symmetrical (over the obvious center-horizontal) to the move-square by white on that turn. The requirements may be met with a white move, but an additional valid move for black must be shown to exist. This extra move is not included when counting the number of moves taken to reach one of the below conditions.




What is the shortest sequence (with symmetrical move-squares) resulting in a Rook x Rook capture?

Resulting in a Knight x Rook capture?

Resulting in Queen x Bishop capture?











share|improve this question









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  • $begingroup$
    Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
    $endgroup$
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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
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  • 1




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$begingroup$


Every move in chess involves moving a piece to a square. Let us call this square the "move-square" for that turn.



In the following, the move-square of the black player must be symmetrical (over the obvious center-horizontal) to the move-square by white on that turn. The requirements may be met with a white move, but an additional valid move for black must be shown to exist. This extra move is not included when counting the number of moves taken to reach one of the below conditions.




What is the shortest sequence (with symmetrical move-squares) resulting in a Rook x Rook capture?

Resulting in a Knight x Rook capture?

Resulting in Queen x Bishop capture?











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Every move in chess involves moving a piece to a square. Let us call this square the "move-square" for that turn.



In the following, the move-square of the black player must be symmetrical (over the obvious center-horizontal) to the move-square by white on that turn. The requirements may be met with a white move, but an additional valid move for black must be shown to exist. This extra move is not included when counting the number of moves taken to reach one of the below conditions.




What is the shortest sequence (with symmetrical move-squares) resulting in a Rook x Rook capture?

Resulting in a Knight x Rook capture?

Resulting in Queen x Bishop capture?








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  • $begingroup$
    Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
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    @PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
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    $begingroup$
    Thanks for the welcome
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    I can't accept your edit as it contains improper grammar and is inaccurate. I'm open to suggestions and edits to improve understandability
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    I think the question is clear enough, perhaps some terminology can be fixed but at least I can tell what’s being asked
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    Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
    $endgroup$
    – PiIsNot3
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    $begingroup$
    @PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
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    – Artem Lugin
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Thanks for the welcome
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    1 hour ago






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    I can't accept your edit as it contains improper grammar and is inaccurate. I'm open to suggestions and edits to improve understandability
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    – Artem Lugin
    56 mins ago






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    I think the question is clear enough, perhaps some terminology can be fixed but at least I can tell what’s being asked
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$begingroup$
Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
$endgroup$
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$begingroup$
Hi @ArtemLugin, welcome to Puzzling SE! (Take the tour if you haven't already!) Can you clarify if the same piece has to occupy black's move-square as white's, or can any piece count? For example, would something like 1. e4 e5 2. Be2 Ne2 be acceptable? Or is only Be7 by black possible?
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@PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
$endgroup$
– Artem Lugin
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
@PiIsNot3 Its doesn't have to be the same piece. Only the corresponding symmetric square. Assuming you mean Ne7 not Ne2 yes, thats acceptable
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– Artem Lugin
1 hour ago




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R x R




This question demonstrates a 7 move sequence, but since we don’t have to copy each others’ moves, only the squares, we can also do the more interesting


1. a4 a5 2. Ra3 Ra6 3. Rc3 Nc6 4. e4 Ne5 5. Rc5 Nc4 6. c3 Rc6 7. Bxc4 Rxc5

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    Under your rules, here are my answers.



    Rook X Rook:




    1. g4 g5 2. h4 h5 3. gxh5 gxh4 4. h6 h3 5. h7 h2 6. hxg8=R hxg1=R 7. Rgxh8




    Proof Game:




    Apronus




    Knight X Rook:




    1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nh4 Nh5 3. Ng6 Ng3 4. Nxh8




    Proof Game:




    Apronus




    Queen X Bishop:




    1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. Bg5 Bg4 4. Qxg4




    Proof Game:




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      The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
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      Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
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      True, but generally any variant will suffice.
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      Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
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      Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
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    This question demonstrates a 7 move sequence, but since we don’t have to copy each others’ moves, only the squares, we can also do the more interesting


    1. a4 a5 2. Ra3 Ra6 3. Rc3 Nc6 4. e4 Ne5 5. Rc5 Nc4 6. c3 Rc6 7. Bxc4 Rxc5

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      R x R




      This question demonstrates a 7 move sequence, but since we don’t have to copy each others’ moves, only the squares, we can also do the more interesting


      1. a4 a5 2. Ra3 Ra6 3. Rc3 Nc6 4. e4 Ne5 5. Rc5 Nc4 6. c3 Rc6 7. Bxc4 Rxc5

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        $begingroup$

        Partial (will update as I go)



        R x R




        This question demonstrates a 7 move sequence, but since we don’t have to copy each others’ moves, only the squares, we can also do the more interesting


        1. a4 a5 2. Ra3 Ra6 3. Rc3 Nc6 4. e4 Ne5 5. Rc5 Nc4 6. c3 Rc6 7. Bxc4 Rxc5

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        Partial (will update as I go)



        R x R




        This question demonstrates a 7 move sequence, but since we don’t have to copy each others’ moves, only the squares, we can also do the more interesting


        1. a4 a5 2. Ra3 Ra6 3. Rc3 Nc6 4. e4 Ne5 5. Rc5 Nc4 6. c3 Rc6 7. Bxc4 Rxc5

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            $begingroup$

            Under your rules, here are my answers.



            Rook X Rook:




            1. g4 g5 2. h4 h5 3. gxh5 gxh4 4. h6 h3 5. h7 h2 6. hxg8=R hxg1=R 7. Rgxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Knight X Rook:




            1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nh4 Nh5 3. Ng6 Ng3 4. Nxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Queen X Bishop:




            1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. Bg5 Bg4 4. Qxg4




            Proof Game:




            Apronus







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            • $begingroup$
              The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              43 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
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            • $begingroup$
              True, but generally any variant will suffice.
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              Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
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            • $begingroup$
              Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
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            2












            $begingroup$

            Under your rules, here are my answers.



            Rook X Rook:




            1. g4 g5 2. h4 h5 3. gxh5 gxh4 4. h6 h3 5. h7 h2 6. hxg8=R hxg1=R 7. Rgxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Knight X Rook:




            1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nh4 Nh5 3. Ng6 Ng3 4. Nxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Queen X Bishop:




            1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. Bg5 Bg4 4. Qxg4




            Proof Game:




            Apronus







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            • $begingroup$
              The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              43 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              39 mins ago












            • $begingroup$
              True, but generally any variant will suffice.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              17 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
              $endgroup$
              – Brandon_J
              11 mins ago










            • $begingroup$
              Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
              $endgroup$
              – Artem Lugin
              3 mins ago














            2












            2








            2





            $begingroup$

            Under your rules, here are my answers.



            Rook X Rook:




            1. g4 g5 2. h4 h5 3. gxh5 gxh4 4. h6 h3 5. h7 h2 6. hxg8=R hxg1=R 7. Rgxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Knight X Rook:




            1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nh4 Nh5 3. Ng6 Ng3 4. Nxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Queen X Bishop:




            1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. Bg5 Bg4 4. Qxg4




            Proof Game:




            Apronus







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            $endgroup$



            Under your rules, here are my answers.



            Rook X Rook:




            1. g4 g5 2. h4 h5 3. gxh5 gxh4 4. h6 h3 5. h7 h2 6. hxg8=R hxg1=R 7. Rgxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Knight X Rook:




            1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nh4 Nh5 3. Ng6 Ng3 4. Nxh8




            Proof Game:




            Apronus




            Queen X Bishop:




            1. e4 e5 2. d4 d5 3. Bg5 Bg4 4. Qxg4




            Proof Game:




            Apronus








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            • $begingroup$
              The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              43 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
              $endgroup$
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              39 mins ago












            • $begingroup$
              True, but generally any variant will suffice.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              17 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
              $endgroup$
              – Brandon_J
              11 mins ago










            • $begingroup$
              Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
              $endgroup$
              – Artem Lugin
              3 mins ago


















            • $begingroup$
              The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              43 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              39 mins ago












            • $begingroup$
              True, but generally any variant will suffice.
              $endgroup$
              – Rewan Demontay
              17 mins ago






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
              $endgroup$
              – Brandon_J
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            • $begingroup$
              Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
              $endgroup$
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            $begingroup$
            The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            43 mins ago




            $begingroup$
            The game only has to end with one side capturing. So therefore it is correct.
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            43 mins ago




            1




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            $begingroup$
            Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            39 mins ago






            $begingroup$
            Fixed. Your point has been well recievedl
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            39 mins ago














            $begingroup$
            True, but generally any variant will suffice.
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            17 mins ago




            $begingroup$
            True, but generally any variant will suffice.
            $endgroup$
            – Rewan Demontay
            17 mins ago




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            $begingroup$
            Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
            $endgroup$
            – Brandon_J
            11 mins ago




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            Oooh, I found one I really like. Looks kind of flashy IMO: 1.e4 e5 2. Qe2 Be7 3. Qb5 Bb4 4. Qxb4
            $endgroup$
            – Brandon_J
            11 mins ago












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            Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
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            $begingroup$
            Great solutions. RookxRook can be improved
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