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The computers at work take around 5-10 minutes to boot up and have all of the necessary applications for my job to be up and ready to use. I work 9am-530pm. But the other day my boss told me to come in 10-15 minutes earlier to make sure that my environment is ready by 9. Which would be fine, but I am not allowed to clock in when I come in early to make sure everything is set up which means I am not getting paid for those 10-15min. They don't leave the computers on and we have to shut them off at the end of the day too. Is this even legal in the state of Ohio, and what would be the most professional way to go about changing this?

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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
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Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
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"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
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Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
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I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

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"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
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Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
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I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

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4

Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
3 hours ago

1

Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
3 hours ago

4

"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

3

Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
1 hour ago

1

I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

– TKK
1 hour ago

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Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
3 hours ago

1

Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
3 hours ago

4

"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

3

Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
1 hour ago

1

I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

– TKK
1 hour ago

Did you remind your boss that you're not allowed to clock in early? If so, what was his response?

– sf02
3 hours ago

Sorry, yes. I am paid hourly.

– IamAPerson
3 hours ago

"Is this even legal in the state of Ohio" - no.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

Note that for many companies, working off the clock is a fireable offense. Double check your employee handbook. The biggest reason this is the case is because your labor board is very, very particular about people getting paid for the work they do.

– Wayne Werner
1 hour ago

I'd say enable network boot and set up a cron job to ping the computers. But computers that take 15 minutes to boot probably predate network boot by a decade or two...

– TKK
1 hour ago

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Assuming you are paid by the hour...

The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.

Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.

If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.

If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.

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Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

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I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

2

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

2

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

11

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

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My recollection of FLSA training is that this is clearly now part of your job and as an hourly employee, it is illegal to expect you to perform a task at company request for company benefit and not pay you for your time. Whether that is part of what the boss considers your core function is irrelevant.

The bigger issue is that you presumably want a good relationship with the company. I would not recommend quietly charging time and waiting until it is noticed. Unfortunately, your boss is delusional and in power so you have two battles to fight. Waiting until he notices will only make him angry on top of those issues.

I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.

You can follow with options (leaving earlier, longer lunch or whatever else). Hopefully, your boss will just not have really considered that this is still work, albeit a different form of it. But you need to consider how to respond if he does not see it this way. He's already dictating you work for free. He does not read on the surface as a reasonable person.

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I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
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Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.

I would recommend to you that you arrive at 9am and clock in, and wait those precious minutes for your computer to boot up (maybe get IT guys to install SSD's, they're amazing and help boot speeds immensely), and stay an extra 15 or so minutes past 5:30pm and leave later to make up for the lost time at the beginning of the day, so that you are actually paid for the time you are working. In my experience, waiting for computers to "boot" etc. is company time, not your own. So you should be reasonably compensated for this, however, this is under company discretion. Explain why you're staying late to your manager as well, don't leave them out of the loop.

I am also assuming that you can clock out/get paid after 5:30pm. If you are UNABLE to do so, then it looks like you're going to need to find a way to speed up your computer, or get approval from IT to leave your computer on overnight. Good luck.

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Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
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Assuming you are paid by the hour...

The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.

Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.

If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.

If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

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2

Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

11

I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

2

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

2

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

11

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

|
show 9 more comments

Assuming you are paid by the hour...

The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.

Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.

If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.

If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

2,7871120

2

Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

11

I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

2

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

2

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

11

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

|
show 9 more comments

Assuming you are paid by the hour...

The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.

Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.

If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.

If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

2,7871120

Assuming you are paid by the hour...

The most professional way of handling this would be to submit your time card, for the hours you actually are working. Doing anything less is typically breaking the law.

Then, when you get questioned, if it is by a person that's not your boss, simply reply that your boss asked you to come in early to turn on the equipment and make the office ready.

If you get questioned about your time card by your boss, then indicate that while you like your job, it is a job and not a hobby, and you should be paid for the work you do.

If you wish to be more helpful, you might also suggest that you come in early and leave early, with someone else coming in late to turn off the computers late.

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

2,7871120

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

2,7871120

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

2,7871120

answered 3 hours ago

Edwin Buck

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Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

11

I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

2

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

2

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

11

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

|
show 9 more comments

2

Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

11

I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

2

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

2

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

11

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

Yes. If he wants you to come in, he's likely to want it enough to move your shift. If the clock doesn't permit that, just don't fall into the trap of "we'll just let you leave early and I'll punch you out" That's just full of all sorts of stuff that can come back to bite you.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

I would "play dumb". Act as if it's inconceivable that you'd actually do work while not on the clock. "But, boss....how can I come in to do work if I'm not clocked in?"

– Keith
2 hours ago

Although I agree with the sentiment, the kind of boss who asks you to come in early but not clock in is unlikely to respond well to it is a job and not a hobby.

– brhans
2 hours ago

@Keith - playing dumb this way is a very smart approach.

– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago

@JoeStrazzere I think Keith's approach would probably yield the better results too. But again don't try to have this fixed by getting clocked out by someone else Bosses that break rules as fundamental as this one are inclined to break other rules, and being clocked out by someone else makes you liable.

– Edwin Buck
2 hours ago

|
show 9 more comments

I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

1,828212

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I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago

add a comment |

I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

1,828212

3

I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago

add a comment |

I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

1,828212

I'm quite willing to do this. We need to understand that though it is outside of my normal duties, it is nonetheless a time consuming duty you are requiring me to perform. Any time spent under specific direction of the company legally has to be counted as time on the job, regardless of the nature of the work.

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

1,828212

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

1,828212

answered 2 hours ago

John Spiegel

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John Spiegel

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I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago

add a comment |

3

I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago

I would add to the wording something like "and of course we want to follow the law, so how do you want me to charge this?" In other words, indicated, that OF COURSE he wants you to do the right thing, and you're just clarifying the best way to do that.

– thursdaysgeek
1 hour ago

add a comment |

Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

1466

Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
1 hour ago

add a comment |

Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

1466

Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
1 hour ago

add a comment |

Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

1466

Due to hourly pay, every bit of time counts, and those minutes add up over time as I'm sure you're aware.

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

1466

edited 2 hours ago

answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

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answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

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answered 3 hours ago

Rich B

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Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
1 hour ago

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Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
1 hour ago

Don't most IT people clock in on their computer?

– Hannover Fist
1 hour ago

@HannoverFist OP didn't mention if they were in IT or not, but if so I don't think its relevant.

– Rich B
1 hour ago

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