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Be it Mowgli and balu singing Bare Necessities or Enrique singing Somebody's Me, each song (or poem) has their way of being sung. Were such songs written after selection of musical note, tone, and form?

What is the order? First music is created or song is written or vice versa? What if I want to write a song but I don't have the slightest of knowledge of music, notes and forms? Will I end up writing a poem? (Oh well, this question brought me another question of difference between poem and song. I shall ask it as another question.)

process lyrics

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  Hi, I think asking about considering musical things when writing poetry is a very different question than asking about them for writing lyrics, so I edited your question to focus on lyrics. If you want to change it, go ahead, but my concern is it will make the question too broad. My answer is only about lyrics.
  
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  Also, if you want to add back the poetry tag so you can enter the tags of the week contest, I won't say a word. I only removed it to focus on the songwriting aspect of the question, before remembering about the contest. writing.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1956/…
  
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  Hi @cyn, no it's perfectly fine. I included poetry because I was confused about difference between poem and song plus there wasn't any song tag.
  
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  Yeah there are no tags for song/music or anything related, except lyrics. There is rhythm but it's for the rhythm of poems. While of course we're about the written word here, we have tags for artwork and comics (which is the combo of words and art).
  
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Be it Mowgli and balu singing Bare Necessities or Enrique singing Somebody's Me, each song (or poem) has their way of being sung. Were such songs written after selection of musical note, tone, and form?

What is the order? First music is created or song is written or vice versa? What if I want to write a song but I don't have the slightest of knowledge of music, notes and forms? Will I end up writing a poem? (Oh well, this question brought me another question of difference between poem and song. I shall ask it as another question.)

process lyrics

share|improve this question

edited 24 mins ago

Cyn

17.4k13781

asked 4 hours ago

Karan DesaiKaran Desai

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Hi, I think asking about considering musical things when writing poetry is a very different question than asking about them for writing lyrics, so I edited your question to focus on lyrics. If you want to change it, go ahead, but my concern is it will make the question too broad. My answer is only about lyrics.
  
  – Cyn
  23 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Also, if you want to add back the poetry tag so you can enter the tags of the week contest, I won't say a word. I only removed it to focus on the songwriting aspect of the question, before remembering about the contest. writing.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1956/…
  
  – Cyn
  21 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  Hi @cyn, no it's perfectly fine. I included poetry because I was confused about difference between poem and song plus there wasn't any song tag.
  
  – Karan Desai
  13 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Yeah there are no tags for song/music or anything related, except lyrics. There is rhythm but it's for the rhythm of poems. While of course we're about the written word here, we have tags for artwork and comics (which is the combo of words and art).
  
  – Cyn
  10 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

Be it Mowgli and balu singing Bare Necessities or Enrique singing Somebody's Me, each song (or poem) has their way of being sung. Were such songs written after selection of musical note, tone, and form?

What is the order? First music is created or song is written or vice versa? What if I want to write a song but I don't have the slightest of knowledge of music, notes and forms? Will I end up writing a poem? (Oh well, this question brought me another question of difference between poem and song. I shall ask it as another question.)

process lyrics

share|improve this question

edited 24 mins ago

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asked 4 hours ago

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edited 24 mins ago

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There are multiple ways to write a song.

Sometimes a composer will pick up already written lyrics.

Sometimes a lyricist will work off of an already written melody and arrangement (less common for an original song but happens all the time with parody or other alternative songs).

Some pairings of composers and lyricists will work at the same time and hash things out as they go. Or any combination of the above.

And of course people who write both music and lyrics will have their own ways of working, and they can vary song to song.

If you want to write a song but don't have any music for it, at least know the musical genre and the tempo.

There are also differences in how easy it is to sing certain words vs speak them out loud. Reading out loud helps a lot when writing a song, but a singer will spot things you didn't catch.

I'm not a musician, though I sing a little, can tap out melodies on the piano, and read sheet music. I've tried writing music and I am horrifically awful at it. I wrote countless lyrics as a teen and a friend put some of them to music for me.

My only professional credit for a song came from a play (supposed to be taped for PBS, but that never happened) where the director commissioned me to write the lyrics.

I knew the genre was a light musical theater style but not much else. So I wrote them but of course didn't know how the arrangement would go. I never even met the composer. He wrote the music and altered my lyrics just enough that he took a shared byline with me for the lyrics.

If you want to write lyrics, take some music classes. Singing, piano, guitar, anything. And sit down with actual composers and try to write something together, even if it goes nowhere.

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  I see. So I need to learn atleast basics of music.
  
  – Karan Desai
  12 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @KaranDesai I would. Otherwise, why write songs?
  
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  I was under impression that I'd jot down lyrics without thinking about music and all. Then as per my lyrics some person who knows music will create one.
  
  – Karan Desai
  7 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


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  @KaranDesai Find "some person" and ask her/him. Some lyrics are much easier to turn into songs than others. If you don't know the forms, you might find composers giving up on you. I mean, you can't write a comic book if you don't know the artistic form...you can't just hand your prose to an artist and say, have at. It needs to be organized in a particular way. Some artists might work with you anyway (like a spouse) but others will nope their way right out of that partnership. Ditto with songwriting.
  
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  Who are you writing songs for? What are you imagining for having them performed? Where will you submit them?
  
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There are multiple ways to write a song.

Sometimes a composer will pick up already written lyrics.

Sometimes a lyricist will work off of an already written melody and arrangement (less common for an original song but happens all the time with parody or other alternative songs).

Some pairings of composers and lyricists will work at the same time and hash things out as they go. Or any combination of the above.

And of course people who write both music and lyrics will have their own ways of working, and they can vary song to song.

If you want to write a song but don't have any music for it, at least know the musical genre and the tempo.

There are also differences in how easy it is to sing certain words vs speak them out loud. Reading out loud helps a lot when writing a song, but a singer will spot things you didn't catch.

I'm not a musician, though I sing a little, can tap out melodies on the piano, and read sheet music. I've tried writing music and I am horrifically awful at it. I wrote countless lyrics as a teen and a friend put some of them to music for me.

My only professional credit for a song came from a play (supposed to be taped for PBS, but that never happened) where the director commissioned me to write the lyrics.

I knew the genre was a light musical theater style but not much else. So I wrote them but of course didn't know how the arrangement would go. I never even met the composer. He wrote the music and altered my lyrics just enough that he took a shared byline with me for the lyrics.

If you want to write lyrics, take some music classes. Singing, piano, guitar, anything. And sit down with actual composers and try to write something together, even if it goes nowhere.

share|improve this answer

answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

17.4k13781

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I see. So I need to learn atleast basics of music.
  
  – Karan Desai
  12 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @KaranDesai I would. Otherwise, why write songs?
  
  – Cyn
  10 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I was under impression that I'd jot down lyrics without thinking about music and all. Then as per my lyrics some person who knows music will create one.
  
  – Karan Desai
  7 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @KaranDesai Find "some person" and ask her/him. Some lyrics are much easier to turn into songs than others. If you don't know the forms, you might find composers giving up on you. I mean, you can't write a comic book if you don't know the artistic form...you can't just hand your prose to an artist and say, have at. It needs to be organized in a particular way. Some artists might work with you anyway (like a spouse) but others will nope their way right out of that partnership. Ditto with songwriting.
  
  – Cyn
  1 min ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Who are you writing songs for? What are you imagining for having them performed? Where will you submit them?
  
  – Cyn
  25 secs ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

2

There are multiple ways to write a song.

Sometimes a composer will pick up already written lyrics.

Sometimes a lyricist will work off of an already written melody and arrangement (less common for an original song but happens all the time with parody or other alternative songs).

Some pairings of composers and lyricists will work at the same time and hash things out as they go. Or any combination of the above.

And of course people who write both music and lyrics will have their own ways of working, and they can vary song to song.

If you want to write a song but don't have any music for it, at least know the musical genre and the tempo.

There are also differences in how easy it is to sing certain words vs speak them out loud. Reading out loud helps a lot when writing a song, but a singer will spot things you didn't catch.

I'm not a musician, though I sing a little, can tap out melodies on the piano, and read sheet music. I've tried writing music and I am horrifically awful at it. I wrote countless lyrics as a teen and a friend put some of them to music for me.

My only professional credit for a song came from a play (supposed to be taped for PBS, but that never happened) where the director commissioned me to write the lyrics.

I knew the genre was a light musical theater style but not much else. So I wrote them but of course didn't know how the arrangement would go. I never even met the composer. He wrote the music and altered my lyrics just enough that he took a shared byline with me for the lyrics.

If you want to write lyrics, take some music classes. Singing, piano, guitar, anything. And sit down with actual composers and try to write something together, even if it goes nowhere.

share|improve this answer

answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

17.4k13781

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I see. So I need to learn atleast basics of music.
  
  – Karan Desai
  12 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @KaranDesai I would. Otherwise, why write songs?
  
  – Cyn
  10 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  I was under impression that I'd jot down lyrics without thinking about music and all. Then as per my lyrics some person who knows music will create one.
  
  – Karan Desai
  7 mins ago
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  @KaranDesai Find "some person" and ask her/him. Some lyrics are much easier to turn into songs than others. If you don't know the forms, you might find composers giving up on you. I mean, you can't write a comic book if you don't know the artistic form...you can't just hand your prose to an artist and say, have at. It needs to be organized in a particular way. Some artists might work with you anyway (like a spouse) but others will nope their way right out of that partnership. Ditto with songwriting.
  
  – Cyn
  1 min ago
  
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Who are you writing songs for? What are you imagining for having them performed? Where will you submit them?
  
  – Cyn
  25 secs ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

There are multiple ways to write a song.

Sometimes a composer will pick up already written lyrics.

Sometimes a lyricist will work off of an already written melody and arrangement (less common for an original song but happens all the time with parody or other alternative songs).

Some pairings of composers and lyricists will work at the same time and hash things out as they go. Or any combination of the above.

And of course people who write both music and lyrics will have their own ways of working, and they can vary song to song.

If you want to write a song but don't have any music for it, at least know the musical genre and the tempo.

There are also differences in how easy it is to sing certain words vs speak them out loud. Reading out loud helps a lot when writing a song, but a singer will spot things you didn't catch.

I'm not a musician, though I sing a little, can tap out melodies on the piano, and read sheet music. I've tried writing music and I am horrifically awful at it. I wrote countless lyrics as a teen and a friend put some of them to music for me.

My only professional credit for a song came from a play (supposed to be taped for PBS, but that never happened) where the director commissioned me to write the lyrics.

I knew the genre was a light musical theater style but not much else. So I wrote them but of course didn't know how the arrangement would go. I never even met the composer. He wrote the music and altered my lyrics just enough that he took a shared byline with me for the lyrics.

If you want to write lyrics, take some music classes. Singing, piano, guitar, anything. And sit down with actual composers and try to write something together, even if it goes nowhere.

share|improve this answer

answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

17.4k13781

share|improve this answer

answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

17.4k13781

answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

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answered 28 mins ago

CynCyn

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